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Thursday, May 01, 2008

What We Are Fighting Against

It's been a rough morning in blogland. A bunch of folks are posting stuff that is elevating my blood pressure. The worst, via Andrew Sullivan
"When we just saw that man, I think it was Mr. Myers [i.e. biologist P.Z. Myers], talking about how great scientists were, I was thinking to myself the last time any of my relatives saw scientists telling them what to do they were telling them to go to the showers to get gassed … that was horrifying beyond words, and that’s where science — in my opinion, this is just an opinion — that’s where science leads you," - Ben Stein.
I do hope that Mr. Stein and his relatives aren't taking any of their doctors' advice about their health care. After all, that's just evil, immoral scientists telling them what to do, and we all know where that leads. This isn't a potitical blog. I have talked about politics very infrequently here. But the assault from the right wing these days on reason and science cannot go unanswered. Mr. Stein, and his recent movie exemplify the lengths that those folks will go in distorting the truth lying in order to further their own agenda. It's easy to make accusations that somebody is lying. In Stein's case, the accusation has quite a bit of evidence supporting it however. Avoid at all costs Mr. Stein's miserable movie Expelled. If you must see it, at least check out the evidence about the profound untruths he is propagating at the webside Expelled Exposed.

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At 09:56, Blogger robin andrea said...

That is an outrageous quote. Members of my extended family were killed in the Holocaust, and I could assure Ben Stein that not one of them would blame their deaths on science. In fact, if I remember correctly, they were killed because of their religion. They were slaughtered because they were Jews. Ben Stein is a first-class schmuck, a liar, and an idiot.

At 17:10, Anonymous Mark H said...

I have NEVER been able to stomach this guy's political side. He's JEWISH himself and has made fun of Jews a few times in his own career! I know he was a speechwriter for Nixon, so his conservative ties are set in stone, and although he HAS written funny comedy, his political claims are disgusting in their arrogance and lies. I'm with you. THIS is one guy that raises my blood pressure when that whiny voice begins. I have to leave the room.

At 20:17, Blogger cedrorum said...

I read something a bit scary today about Florida IDers taking a new tact in trying to get evolution dispelled. They are trying to pass legislation that will allow science teachers to critique evolution as non-science. Of course, not bringing up ID, just as a discussion that some "scientists" don't think evolutionary theory is valid. Florida is not the only state taking this route. They are going to try any way they can to get ID taught as a legitimate alternative to evolution. I can't believe in this day and age that anyone with any intelligence at all would be harboring thoughts of supporting something like this. Oh, I forgot, we're talking about politicians and scientists of religion.

At 00:46, Blogger Ur-spo said...

i remember my science teacher pointing out that science can not tell us what to do, only how to do the things we decide to do.

At 05:56, Anonymous pablo said...

I'm convinced that people like Stein (and Coulter, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, etc) don't for a minute believe the bile they spew. They know that they are spreading easily disproven lies, and they know that the benefits of scientific endeavor are manifest. I think their agenda is altogether different. I think their goal is to rile up a certain class of the voting citizenry and keep them enraged so that they can be steered toward other social goals. Stein has done a good job of portraying the ID issue as a David and Goliath battle, and that metaphor comes with enuf cultural programming already embedded to make it work well, even if it is absolutely false.

At 14:04, Blogger Dave Coulter said...

Using religious mythology to explain evolution is like using astrology to steer your spaceship.

At 18:41, Blogger rodger said...

He has a movie? I can't stand seeing him or listening to him beyond the nanosecond it takes to recognize his whining and turn the station...let alone sit there watching his dreck for two hours.


At 19:19, Blogger Lemuel said...

I think Stein thinks he will do for the right what Michael Moore did with his movies. I like you continue to be appalled not only at spokespersons who spout ignorance in the face of facts but at the number of Americans who believe them.

At 11:02, Blogger Doug Taron said...

Thanks to all for your good comments, and for letting me vent. I think that Robin hit it on the head with the term "outrageous," and there may be something to Pablo's hypothesis as well. Oops, sorry Pablo, by using the word "hypothesis," I may have inadvertently suggested that you are an immoral, genocidal, scientific sort. No harm intended.

At 10:54, Anonymous Anonymous said...

WTF? I'm gobsmacked. That's hard to do.

Can't add to Robin's comment, nor the others.

But WTF?


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